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27th March 2006, 11:35 PM #106
The painting looks great Peter. Just a thought on the mast hole. What about putting a rubber boot on the mast to limit water ingressing through the hole?
Have a nice day - Cheers
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28th March 2006, 05:08 AM #107Originally Posted by Wood Butcher
The mast partner http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...5&d=1141563099 screws over the hole in a position to suit the mast rake, and I'll probably do a "dry" silicone gasket under it, so the upstand will take care of pretty much all deck water trying to slosh in.
The mast and the hole in the partner are a fairly close fit (or were when we last tried them), with less than a mm tolerance, so in heavy conditions one could simply tape the gap with race-tape, or we've also discussed making a boot out of motorcycle inner tube, or simply finding an "O" ring that fits tightly on the mast, and sliding it down against the partner.
I think our consensus at the moment is that we'll do nothing until it's a problem, and if it is, we know how to fix it!
Cheers,
P
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28th March 2006, 08:59 AM #108
Midge & Mik, as you approach completion of these fine craft, have you given any thought to the most important component, the names? One of them, of course, must be called The Very Little Gravitas Indeed. Although, if you gointo partnership with Wongo, it would be The Very Little Freeboard Indeed.
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28th March 2006, 10:48 AM #109
Alex,
Have a look on the pdrace home page www.pdracer.com thn go to Local Fleets on the RHS. Down the bottom you will find the Australian Fleet!
They are
"Walks like a Duck" &
"Talks like a Duck"Have a nice day - Cheers
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30th March 2006, 12:26 AM #110
Ahh yes, well spotted Rowan!
Sadly for the forums, for other reasons we've gone all Puddleduckie with the names, but in our hearts we all know.. nudge nudge .
As it turns out, Michael happened to let slip that he doesn't mind a bit of the old wet 'n dry, so never one to disappoint a guest, I hauled him off to Bunnies in the dead of night to get some supplies, and this morning, pointing to two boats in the corner, mumbled something like " and they'd better be finished before I get home from work or else..".
He must have heard me!
Pics:
1) After the first coat of highbuild, we've used a bit of good old car bog for the minor touch-ups, although this hull has had a bit of sanding, basically here's what it looks like, ready to take off most of the last coat of paint!
2) A wet rag to act as a water reservoir, a cork pad with some 180 grit wet and dry wrapped round it, and a boat.... what more could a boy ask for? Well a few drops of detergent in the water to "wet it out" a bit, and a heap of pencil scrawls over the surface. When the pencil marks have gone, you know you've sanded far enough!
3) As sanding progresses, the paint gets decidedly thinner looking in spots, actually it's levelling out, taking out the minor bumps and lumps in the surface.
4) Sigh! All done, and ready for another coat. If we were going for a piano finish here, we'd do it again, but this is well and truly far enough for these boats. We could have been sailng for a week if we'd just rolled on some housepaint! :eek:
5) Yep! Start all over again! This time a light coat, a light sanding then some colour next!
Yes it all looks time consuming and it is. There are lots of other ways of doing this, but since we have the spray equipment at our disposal, (and I have Michael at mine! ) This is a pretty easy way of getting a reasonably workmanlike finish.
The top coat will tell though!
Cheers for another night,
P
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30th March 2006, 04:46 AM #111Originally Posted by AlexS
Iain M Banks has the title to that name. You would need to ask his permission.Bob Willson
The term 'grammar nazi' was invented to make people, who don't know their grammar, feel OK about being uneducated.
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2nd April 2006, 12:11 AM #112
Well chaps, the good ships "WALKS like a duck" and "TALKS like a duck" took to the water today!
They aren't finished, still need to be painted in their Duckling Yellow livery, but we needed to see how they'd go, and I'm pleased to report :"Swimmingly!"
I may not have time to update this thread tomorrow, and there are a few gaps, which we've recorded, but I need to go through the photos, so in the meantime for a glimpse of them on-water, go to http://tinyurl.com/jccjm
Check back later for the remaining construction stuff though, and hopefully next weekend for the finished product!
Cheers,
P (happy chappy!)
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2nd April 2006, 08:23 AM #113
Congratulations Peter & Michael (I didn't forget you this time Mik )
The Boats look great and it's good to see your work paid off. I just got the emails from the PDracer group and looks like some of the yanks feel threatened by your boats.
Now just have to wait for the plans from Michael........ and we might be able to increase the fleetHave a nice day - Cheers
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2nd April 2006, 10:56 AM #114
Well done boys ... but what's this about 'deliberately' capsizing? Sounds like a bit of massaging the facts there
Richard
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3rd April 2006, 12:41 AM #115Originally Posted by Daddles
The little boats are tremendously stable - in the next few days you will be able to see a movie of one of the capsizes.
You'll see me moving to the wrong side of the boat.
Nothing happens.
I hold onto the opposite side and stick my bum further the wrong way and finally - FINALLY - the little blighter goes over.
Wrong sided and sticking my bum out.
Boat floats high and comes up through just pulling down on the centreboard from in the water - you don't need to climb on top of the thing. The hull ends up with about an inch or two of water aboard (1 to 2 cubic feet - 60 to 90 lbs) - still sails well with good stability without getting rid of the water.
The Americans require a capsize test - which is wise - so just fitting in with the spirit. A capsize is nothing to us red blooded Aussie Sailors.
I can't get rid of the grin with these great little boats.
Today one of Midge's neighbours who used to sail a VJ in his teens took one out for a zoot - he hasn't been aboard a small boat for 30 years - and he came back - and came back smiling.
Yesterday it was the bloke who had done some sailboarding but who hadn't sailed a yacht or dinghy who took his two young girls out. They came back too!!!
We won't go into the details of the great exterior ply debacle just yet - but as with the other thread about Marine vs Exterior Ply - caveat emptor.
Oh, by the way - We had a race thismorn between the two boats around the island in front of Midge's house - took us about an hour in light shifty winds. Two adults in each boat. They handled the weight beautifully
The result of the race ... Midge came to congratulate me on winning, but then I pointed out his sister in law Sue had been steering our boat. And it was her first time steering!
Actually they were in the lead most of the way round the island, but we overtook them just before the final turn back to home - sadly they got becalmed and we sailed past and away from them.
On the serious side we have had a couple of teething problems. The sails made from polytarp have stretched a bit in the first day's sail so now are longer than the masts that support them - so we'll cut a bit off the top (of the sails) and move the sails up the masts. The only other problem has been one of the masts wouldn't come out of the boat when we went to pack up - a quick job with a rasp will see to that problem.
Wish you were here!!!
Boatmik
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3rd April 2006, 11:46 AM #116
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3rd April 2006, 12:29 PM #117
Brothers Midge and Mik
Alex got it right. This has been a really entertaining and informative thread. Great to see the finished result. Congratulations!
ColDriver of the Forums
Lord of the Manor of Upper Legover
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5th April 2006, 11:39 AM #118
Well done chaps! Good to see them finally in the water.
A great thread.
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5th April 2006, 12:01 PM #119
Thanks again all, but we're not going to let you off that easily.
I'm spending a fair bit of time away at the moment, and there are some gaps in the finishing and rigging process that I haven't uploaded yet so there is still more to come, and of course then there's the repairs.. :eek:
In the meantime I've uploaded a few videos of them on the water at http://www.vmix.com/viewArtist.php?ID=29738 the quality is not good, but hey they are a free service!
Daddles, if you go there, you can view the capsize test and see for yourself just how hard it is to get the little buggers over, and how stable they are to get back into as well. Michael tried to climb on to the side of the capsized hull, and just couldn't sink it. A pretty reassuring test I think.
Cheers,
P
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5th April 2006, 12:11 PM #120
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