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Thread: PD Racer in Chile. Epoxy help?
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16th April 2009, 04:52 AM #1PDJ Guest
PD Racer in Chile. Epoxy help?
Hi,
I've wanted to build a boat for a long time and I'm finally getting the stuff together. Got the plans (Oz PDR) and inquiring about the sources for the materials. If things keep moving I hope to set "saw to wood" in 10 days time.
Epoxy seems to be by far the most expensive part of the job (they only sell 10 and 40kg vats!)
I've found a source for some "Epomar" a "lamination epoxy" recommended for fiberglassing, carbon and kevlar (2:1 mixing ratio) and uses ~250g/m2, but the potlife and cure times seem too short (~15 mins at 20 deg/tacky in 30 mins hard in 4 hrs) and no mention of powder additives for the gluing processes. (This one costs ~32 USD/kg)
Also found "Adepox" an "epoxic glue" (1:1 mixing ratio by weight) which quotes 320 kg/cm2 traction resistance as a wood-wood adhesive with more generous times (60 mins potlife, tacky in 5 hrs and 7 days total time) but no mention of using it as a coating product. (This one costs ~40 USD/kg)
Any suggestions?
All help gratefully received.
Cheers,
Peter
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16th April 2009, 02:49 PM #2
Howdy ... I have sent a message to Juan Carlos to see how his epoxy is going and which one he used.
He has some comments here
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f169/pd-racer-chile-epoxy-help-93926-post937641
,,, I would steer away from 1:1 epoxies - too many compromises to make them work (apart from one good one from System 3 who do their homework)
So the normal ratios are either 2:1 or something around 5:1 (different manufacturers are a bit different)
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17th April 2009, 05:12 AM #3
Hi Mate,
For gluing you need Adepox. At least two pots to start with. The best way to use it is with the plastic bag. There are several cheaper alternatives but they need perfect match between pieces as Adepox just need to be toghether not to tight.
For coating you need the "Lamination resin", I don´t remember the name, but it is the most expensive part of the building pocess. It works beautifully on the wood.
Good luck with the project.
JC.
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17th April 2009, 05:51 PM #4Novice
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Conflicting suggestions :D
Oh well, conflicting suggestions are part of life ...
As Juan Carlos pointed out in his GIS thread 6 mm ply is practically nonexistant in this neck of the woods. It seems it's either 3.5 or 9 mm (yep, I know it sucks) Would you suggest doubling up 3.5 on the bottom or going up to 9 mm?
Oh ^&%*&%*^ it's rather irritating, innit?
Guesses anyone?
Cheers,
Peter
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17th April 2009, 06:57 PM #5
Peter,
It may be cost prohibitive but I noticed Ted is sending a GIS kit to the US so perhaps send him an email on a PDR kit or part there of.
Here is a link
Just a thought.
Mike
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18th April 2009, 01:48 AM #6
The problem for kits to be send to Chile are many:
1) The sell price, which could be fine but...
2) Taxes - you´ll have to pay "admition" taxes on the value of the goods plus the freight! There are several other charges to be considered as insurance, customs releasing (yes, is a different one) and transfer from the port (120km away from Santiago) or airport.
3) There are several components considered as "dangerous" that could only be sent by sea, so it will take a long time. I moveed my house back from Sydney and it took about 8 weeks.
I would just go for 9mm marine plywood, but you need to buy it in Sodimac, (they have home delivery). It cost about CP$24.000 or US$41, which I think is ok. I don´t think the 3.5mm Plywood is good quality, these are usually 3 layers and very rough. Maybe you can use and cover it on fiberglass, but I´m just guessing... I have no experience on that.
Saludos,
JC.
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21st April 2009, 09:27 AM #7Novice
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Some new info... and questions
I checked the tech sheets and the "Adepox" is basically Araldit! And 10% weaker too
Well I'll have to do a "lamination epoxy plus sawdust" trials and go on from there...
On the up side, I've found some pretty nice "native" 6 mm ply, only 3 ply but I thunk I'll laminate epoxy some 3.5 mm "decks" in to strengthen the bottom sheet between frame components. And probably aim to make the sides out of 6mm too.
What are your suggested/tested "non traditional" epoxy additives?
(I've heard of sawdust to flour...) Any ratios?
Cheers,
Peter
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21st April 2009, 09:41 AM #8Novice
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