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Thread: Earthing pvc pipework
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31st May 2005, 12:19 AM #16
IF you want to cross the "Ts" and dot the "eyes"run a thin copper wire through all your pipes and earth at one end. Something along the lines of winding wire
you can often get this from your son in law if his in the game.
Its like wearing braces and a belt
Can't hurt but if your in a hurry can be a pain
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31st May 2005, 12:28 AM #17Originally Posted by Ashore
there are those who will argue that this just gives the 'built up charge' something to arc to, therefore creating an ignition source for the fire/explosion...Cliff.
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31st May 2005, 01:22 AM #18
Infact if the copper wire runs through the entire pipe of 8" diam then the size of the particle that could build up a charge that could generate a static charge that would cause a positive particle to create an arc would be larger than the pipe size by a factor of 3000 or more(taking a length of 1 meter and a diameter of 20 mm
But this is only going on my experiance as a Marine engineer where we studied the size of particles in clouds formed in large oil tanks that could cause static discharge
A constant earthing inside a pipe duct / cable tray / tank or vessel with an insulated outer coat reduces the chances of static discharge within said vessel
Personally I don't think 4 or 6 inch ducting would cause a problem as the particles are not big enough to build a charge of sufficent size to cause an arc to form and to what
My statement stands "Its like wearing braces and a belt"
Or another way "better safe than sorry"
Personally as my own choice I ran a wire through my pipes , only because I had the wire and the time.
I don't knock anyone who advocates earthing or non earthing
The arguements for and against can be convincing
Go with what feels right if you have the spare uninsulated wire run it down the pipe can't hurt
But dont get to sitting up worring all night if you don't.
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31st May 2005, 09:26 AM #19
One point I got from this article
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rodec/.../DC_myths.html
was that usually the volumes are unsufficient to create the density of dust and therefore the potential for a static discharge of sufficient size to actually ignite anything. He's pretty definite about not being able to earth pvc but what I'm gathering is that earthing of an end-point (machine or dust collector) should be undertaken because of the possibility of a static discharge thru the operators hand or other body part.
He says that points of change of direction (tees/reducers etc) are points for static buildup. I know in my case, with the possible exception of the thicknesser (check out the post from the guy suggesting we were mis-pronouncing the names of these things - the gall) or perhaps the lathe when I'm on a roll, I don't generate a lot of dust/shavings or not enough where I'd have vivid mental images of the particles all jostling for space and exchanging static charge as they move along the pvc path to the dust collector bag...
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31st May 2005, 06:00 PM #20
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31st May 2005, 07:08 PM #21Originally Posted by bitingmidge
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31st May 2005, 07:27 PM #22Originally Posted by SorenCliff.
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31st May 2005, 08:19 PM #23Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
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31st May 2005, 08:28 PM #24
Why not use EARTHenware pipe for ducting?
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31st May 2005, 08:43 PM #25
Outback!!!
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31st May 2005, 08:56 PM #26
Welcome back Cliff.
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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
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31st May 2005, 09:02 PM #28Originally Posted by ozwinner
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31st May 2005, 09:26 PM #29
Outhouse?
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31st May 2005, 09:52 PM #30Originally Posted by outback
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