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Thread: Help me spend $4,000
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30th September 2011, 03:43 PM #1Intermediate Member
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Help me spend $4,000
Hi all
I am slowly sending myself more insane trying to select a Lathe and/or Mill to buy before Christmas. By the way I work in IT and I consider insanity a prerequisite to work there.
Assuming I have about $4,000 to spend and not counting transport I was planning to try and keep about $600 for initial tooling and buy a machine with the remaining $3,400.
The machines I am indicating below are more examples than absolutes but I will probably end up at either H&F or Minitech when I buy unless someone can indicate another supplier in Brisbane.
Assume I am starting with nothing.
I can buy either an AL336 lathe or a HM-50 or HM-48 mill on their own and then buy the other in about a year. They are all around the $3,500 mark.
Or I can buy a HM46 and one of the 10” lathes, probably a CQ6125 ($3,400). Then upgrade to a 12x36 in a years time if I decide to.
I think I would be happier going a small lathe and larger mill then upgrading the lathe in about a year rather than the other way around. I can't see a suitable combination where I keep the lathe and upgrade the mill.
What would you buy if I gave you the money.
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30th September 2011, 05:24 PM #2Senior Member
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G'Day,
If you gave me the money I'd spend it on booze and hookers,
Regards
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30th September 2011, 05:50 PM #3Pink 10EE owner
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A lathe is handier then a mill...
Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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30th September 2011, 06:02 PM #4
What are your skills
Depends on if you are an absolute beginner or have some experience in machining . It's a long learning curve, this machining game. Some of the guys on this forum have a lifetime of experience. Others like me , are on the learning curve .
Most of the new lathes and Mill Drills will work OK for you . It's more important to learn about : metal properties, tool properties , speeds, feed rates and all that stuff . To some degree, a skilled machinist can get good results from crap machinery. But a unskilled person cannot get good results from a quality lathe, for example.
Mike
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30th September 2011, 07:48 PM #5
The one thing that counts with a lathe or mill is rigidity. They simply cannot do their job properly if they are lightweight cheapies.
For my money, I figure you would be better off buying the most solid machine (lathe or mill) in the size range that interests you and your budget can afford, plus a kit of appropriate tooling for it when you are ready to, with the object of keeping it for a long time.
Then buy a machine and tooling in the other category (mill or lathe) later on when you can afford it, again with the objective of keeping it for a long time.
Buying cheap machines in either category with the intent of upgrading later seems to be a waste of money, as it will lead to you replacing both machines and probably the tooling as well within a few years. You would end up paying more for replacement machines then than you would for equivalent machines now, and probably won't recover the costs of the initial purchases.
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30th September 2011, 08:56 PM #6Product designer retired
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Save some dough and talk to allterrain50 about a good Hercus 260 lathe. Allterrain50 is a respected member here. Australian Metalworking Hobbyist
Ken
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30th September 2011, 09:10 PM #7SENIOR MEMBER
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As has been noted already, lathes are more useful, so buy a decent sized lathe first (one you don't need to upgrade) and then buy a Mill later on. I think you are just wasting money buying something that you intend on selling at a later date to buy a better one.It will just cost you more. Try and get what you reckon will last you, straight up.
Just my humble opinion....
Sterob
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30th September 2011, 10:34 PM #8Senior Member
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Back again,
Forgive my earlier flippant comment, just a thought, $3.5 k will buy you a bloody nice,well equipped used lathe, provided you get someone with the appropriate level of skill and experience to go over it prior to purchase. If it looks like being a while before purchasing a milling machine you can get by with a milling slide for a small basic jobs (I did for 20 years) then flog it off when you get a proper milling machine.
Regards,
Martin
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1st October 2011, 05:05 AM #9Home Hobbist
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Hi denncarm,
Some good advice allready given here.
You could look at getting a better Lathe as you will use it more than the Mill. The more rigid the Lathe the better. By using angle plates on the Saddle you can do many milling jobs but if the jobs you are doing for the moment are too big to mill on the Lathe you could look for a relative cheap Mill to use till you have enough to buy a better mill, they come up on Ebay fairly regularly.
I have been going through what you are going through and waited till I had enough to order the better equipment. I have now ordered and payed for my new equipment. Have to wait till December for stock to arrive from H&F, will be getting a L240D Lathe and M607D Mill.
Regards,
Keith.
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2nd October 2011, 01:06 PM #10Senior Member
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3rd October 2011, 05:51 AM #11Home Hobbist
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Hi asheddie,
I am looking forward to the AL-1000C to arrive and like you have only single phase avalliable so that determined what equipment I bought. The BM-40V is 415 but I have some VSD's so will be fitting a 2.2kW unit to it and I have ran 6mm feed to the workshop so can handle the 20amp for the VSD. I went for the BM-40V as the work table area is 1370 x 254mm.
Regards,
Keith.
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