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    Default Parkerizing instructions

    Relative to the last post on blueing ,here is a set of instructions from a yank hand gun enthusiast of parkerising .
    This is a top finish and last for years .Heaps better than bluing and my sweaty mitts ( for I am captain Rust ) do not have any effects. No guarantees here but it worked for me Ok ! edits have bben added to suit Aus conditions.
    INSTRUCTIONS FOR "HOME-BREW" PARKERIZING:
    You need a number of things to do a "home-brew" "Parker-job", but only 4 ingredients.
    1. Phosphoric Acid (the active ingredient in Naval Jelly) usually procured at a chemical supply house. (Any of the liquid rust converter liquids around 10% concentrated Grahame )
    2. Powdered Manganese Dioxide (a very dense and heavy dark gray to black powder) also available at any chemical supply house. ( Got mine at The Clayshed a ceramic pottery supply at Kunda Park Qld.)
    3. Distilled water (I’ve used tap water, but the distilled stuff gives more consistent results.
    4. A biscuit of steel wool (don’t use soap pads or Brillo pads!)
    I used to do this on the kitchen stove (I wasn’t married in those days) in a one gallon Pyrex beaker (these little beasts are expensive, so be careful with them). Metal pots don’t work as well (if at all) I understand, but then I never used anything else but Pyrex.
    ( note I used a 10 litre cheapy st steel boiler with no problems –Grahame)

    Proceed as follows:
    1. Use one whiskey jigger (yeah, this is really scientific, right?) of phosphoric acid added to the water. Remember your high school chemistry, ALWAYS add the acid to the water, and it is best done by pouring it down a glass rod!
    2. Use one whiskey jigger of the (powdered) Manganese Dioxide in the solution.
    3. Bring the solution to an extremely slooowwww rolling boil .
    4. Now add your biscuit of steel wool.
    I used wooden sticks placed across the top of the beaker and suspended the parts in the solution using steel or iron "machinist’s wire or some such. DON’T use painted coat hangers or any wire with grease on it! You can usually get this stuff from a machine shop or from Brownell’s .(old mig welding wire off cut - Grahame)
    The parts should be totally immersed in the solution, being careful that anywhere the wire touches the part won’t show on the finished part (usually easy to do – like in the firing pin hole of a bolt). The part(s) to be Parkerized should be totally "de-greased" and sand or bead blasted prior to finishing (depending on the texture you desire on the finished part). Once you have bead blasted the part, you should handle the part with gloves (never greasy hands) and store them wrapped in clean paper towels awaiting the Parker Bath. Any grease on the parts or wire will cause what can only be politely called a variation in color (the parts come out streaked and spotted like a "paint horse").
    I usually let the part remain in the solution for a total of 20 minutes (less MAY work, but I was told 20 minutes so that’s what I used and it worked marvelously). When you withdraw the part, immediately rinse it in hot running water to get the solution off of it. Use extremely hot water, and the part will dry itself. Let it dry (and get cool enough to touch) on some clean paper towels, spray on some lubricant and viola’ you are done!
    Rumor control said that if you immersed the freshly rinsed and still hot part in Cosmoline, it would give the sometimes sought after "gray-green" tint to it. I have never tried it. Cosmoline is still available from Brownells if you are adventurous!
    (Lanotec spray is good GC)

    The original formula called for iron filings vice steel wool, but since I didn’t have any floating around, and didn’t want to file on the cast iron stove, I found that the steel wool worked just fine. What you get is a chemical reaction that causes an iron phosphate to form on the metal (steel phosphate I suppose, using steel wool). I have found that the resultant finish is just as durable as the Arsenal finishes and has exactly the same appearance! – an attractive dark gray, almost black. Some say that adding more manganese dioxide causes a darker finish, but I’ve never tried it, as I was happy with what I got!
    We often used this technique when finishing .45s built on early Essex frames that needed a lot of fitting, thus often requiring the removal of offending metal. I used to checker the front straps (also violating the finish in a rather spectacular fashion) and the resultant finish worked great and showed little or no wear even with extensive use – much like the official GI finish. I’m still using a wadcutter gun I performed the magic on back in the ‘70s and it still looks new.
    A couple of cautions:
    1. Always be careful of any sort of acid, even such an innocuous acid as phosphoric. I certainly would never deliberately inhale the fumes (although there is no great odor to the process that I could tell, but then I smoke cigars). I started doing this back in the early to mid ‘70s and still have no "twitch" that I can directly attribute to Parkerizing on the kitchen stove. Just use common sense, WEAR GLOVES AND EYE PROTECTION ANYTIME YOU ARE PLAYING AROUND WITH BOILING SOLUTIONS (with or without acids being involved).
    2. Be very careful not to cause any splashes with the boiling solution (of course the same can be said of boiling corn).

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    thanks Grahame.
    Cheers,
    Clinton

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    Default Excelent post.

    Thanks also, very helpfull post.

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    Thanks Grahame.
    I have a Springfield 25-06 that needs reblueing.
    I will now have a go at parkerising it instead.
    Hooroo.
    Regards, Trevor
    Grafton

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    Default MSDS check on M Dioxide

    Just as a caution I would advise that everyone intending using manganese dioxide check out the Material Safety Data Sheets on this material.

    Perhaps a practice run or two before you commit that rare and almost replaceable item. The interest of course is in the firearms side of things.
    The seems to be quite a few sites out there that deal with it with instructions that vary slightly.

    I have some lathe tooling to make up over the break ,so I'll grab a camera a do a photo essay thingy on doing a phosphated surface finish on the items.

    As stated in the other post, the finish looks appealing, looks professional but also has a great rust resistance to my rust inducing perspiration.

    Grahame

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    Technically, its an electrochemical conversion coating known as manganese phosphating. (First used by the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America, hence the term parkerizing.)

    If your nearest pottery supplies place is too far to go to get some manganese dioxide, you can also peel open some of your flat flashlight batteries (alkaline or good old zinc carbon) - inside, you will find manganese dioxide (the black powder in the battery). Alkaline battery dissection guide here.

    The steel wool/iron fillings shouldn't be necessary (you already have iron...the thing you are coating) and it's not specified in the parkerize patent (U.S. Patent 1069903, 1913). Sounds like its trying to be the earlier iron phosphating process (U.S. Patent 870937, 1907), as well!

    Oh, and a good pre-clean of the metal to remove any oils and ensure streak free finishing (boil it in some automatic dishwasher detergent solution, or good old caustic soda and give it a quick swill under the tap to rinse). Hydrochloric acid for cleaning is also fun, if the part has light-ish rust you can't be bothered to wire brush off...de-rusts, paint strips and etch primes all in one pass!!! Mind the fumes, tho - chlorine gas is not good on the lungs.)

    (Yes, my garage is probably an OHAS violation without anyone's assistance)

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    This is good news - so we just need some old alkaline batteries and some liquid rust converter, an old spaghetti pot, tap water and a camp stove. Sounds like something to do when SWMBO is out with the kids.
    I wonder which tools it should be used on. Any suggestions? Perhaps not a rare Stanley plane... But a tuppence happeny #110 looks like it would be ideal
    Cheers

    Jeremy
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    [QUOTE=jmk89so we just need some old alkaline batteries and some liquid rust converter, an old spaghetti pot, tap water and a camp stove. [/QUOTE]

    My effort used DISTILLED water.If your jobby turns to poo when tap water is used on your best plane , please don,t pick on me.

    Some of the sites that deal in military firearm refurbishmenthave colour photos also. Please check them out for comparison.The colour or finish may not suit your favourite tool.

    Master Splinter's info about the hydrochoric and not needing the steel wool shall be put to good use. .I think I'll go straight out in the shed tomorrow and experiment on some m/steel flat bar. I''ll try all variations.
    I'll report back when i have something.

    Grahame

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    It seems that the steel wool in the solution acts as a buffer and reduces acid attack on the part you are parkerizing. Not that your average bit of woodworking metal is going to loose any amount that you'd notice, anyway.

    The solution should be at about 90 degrees (but dont let it boil!), and the part should be left in there for 45 minutes for maximum film buildup.

    Parts should be spotlessly clean (sandblasting is the recommened surface prep), and the nature of the cleaning agent can reduce the number of cathodisation sites on the metal, leading to larger crystal structure and a lesser degree of protection.

    This is how the military do it. MIL-HDBK-205A, 1985 (thats a pdf file - if it downloads for you as a pds, just change the extension to pdf) Good for process, not so good for quantities (unless you really want 100 gallons of the stuff in a steam heated tank with sludge paddles)

    (Now I ask the question...out of all the (mostly gun) sites I toured, why is the most in depth discussion on parkerizing being held on a woodworking site? Are we all perfectionists or something?)

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    Thanks fellas, interesting

    Would be good to see a WIP, Grahame.


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    Default piccy of a phospated item

    Its not mine, but one i found searching the net for phospating details.it serves to give an idea of colour.

    Did not get to start the phosphate boiler today - maybe the weekend.

    enjoy the piccy,



    Grahame

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    Mmmmmm.....Gun

    Loooooove Gun .
    Hooroo.
    Regards, Trevor
    Grafton

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