Thread: What's with the name calling?

I am with Michael with this as its possible that I was one of the ones being targeted. It is disappointing that people feel the need to do this. Some great comments have been made here. Sometimes I think that people with official qualifications tend to forget that others on this forum have no idea what or who they are and also sometimes expect people to accept what they say without explanation.

Unfortunately my experience has taught me to accept nothing on face value and a piece of paper does not make anyone an automatic expert.

Dean

Originally Posted by Oldneweng

I am with Michael with this as its possible that I was one of the ones being targeted. It is disappointing that people feel the need to do this. Some great comments have been made here. Sometimes I think that people with official qualifications tend to forget that others on this forum have no idea what or who they are and also sometimes expect people to accept what they say without explanation.

Unfortunately my experience has taught me to accept nothing on face value and a piece of paper does not make anyone an automatic expert.

Dean

Dean

Well said.

I sometimes see stuff on here (wood and metal forums) that makes me scream in anger with people with limited knowledge passing themselves off as the gurus. It is their way or no way. Some of the advice and tips are fantastic and some is just plain bunk. Hopefully novices will get enough information on this site and combined with other internet sites and other sources they will eventually learn enough to sort the good from the bad. On the other hand, I feel it is very important that if someone feels that some thing that has been advised isn't the best or safest method then the initial writer should be advised on the post and reasons or alternatives offered. Name calling is always good as a last resort. (I like to stir up the politically correct brigade)

There is an old saying, "Those that think they know everything, really annoy those of us that do"

Col.

I have often found that the ones who are most offended by being queried about the reasons for things, are the ones who have the least knowledge about the subject. In other words if a professional is asked a question about why something is done, they should have no issues and no difficulty with providing a clear logical answer.

Dean

Originally Posted by Ashore

Michael G you have 550 or so posts and have been here less than 12 months, why do you think this forum is as good as it is, and has been going as long as it has .............perhaps because the moderators who have been running the show have done a great job.
Comments like yours make me wonder what your motive are.......

Maybe it is so good partly because of members pointing out potential issues before they get out of hand.

Dean

Dean, I agree with your methods using the three jaw chuck, I have done the same for a long time, I have an old flat belt roughing lathe tucked away in my brother in laws shed, these lathes were used on all sorts of horrible stuff and I dont think the chucks wore unduly worn out from out of round stock.

Maybe it is because these lathes were used in the old days and that started the "old wives tale" about not putting out of round stock in a three jaw chuck, in a production setting using four jaw chucks can slow production rate markedly.

I also would like to mention that my father ran a factory that specialized in making hydraulic motors and pumps and they fitted these to everything from merry go rounds to rock crushers, ski lifts, fishing boat winches and the list goes on and on.

My brother, who did his fitting and turning apprenticeship with my father, afterwards for a number of years was a leading hand and he ran the tool room and the press shop for a large manufacturing company.

Now what I am leading into here is that both of them had the same problem, it was very hard to employ good qualified machinist's. They both said the same thing, at the interview stage they thought they would be employing a good machinist, but they often found that not only were they not versatile but also some of these experts were not even good at what they specialized in, and in many cases they got much better quality of work from a process worker that they would find had a bit of ability and they would teach to do the job.

So what it can come down to is that if someone has the desire and a bit of ability they often can produce better results than a qualified person, including even if they only read it in book's.

Keep up the good work everybody

Originally Posted by shedhappens

Dean, I agree with your methods using the three jaw chuck, I have done the same for a long time, I have an old flat belt roughing lathe tucked away in my brother in laws shed, these lathes were used on all sorts of horrible stuff and I dont think the chucks wore unduly worn out from out of round stock.

Maybe it is because these lathes were used in the old days and that started the "old wives tale" about not putting out of round stock in a three jaw chuck, in a production setting using four jaw chucks can slow production rate markedly.

I also would like to mention that my father ran a factory that specialized in making hydraulic motors and pumps and they fitted these to everything from merry go rounds to rock crushers, ski lifts, fishing boat winches and the list goes on and on.

My brother, who did his fitting and turning apprenticeship with my father, afterwards for a number of years was a leading hand and he ran the tool room and the press shop for a large manufacturing company.

Now what I am leading into here is that both of them had the same problem, it was very hard to employ good qualified machinist's. They both said the same thing, at the interview stage they thought they would be employing a good machinist, but they often found that not only were they not versatile but also some of these experts were not even good at what they specialized in, and in many cases they got much better quality of work from a process worker that they would find had a bit of ability and they would teach to do the job.

So what it can come down to is that if someone has the desire and a bit of ability they often can produce better results than a qualified person, including even if they only read it in book's.

Keep up the good work everybody

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My wife does that to me all the time, changes the subject mid conversation, starts talking about something completely different & just confuses the hell out of me.

Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

.... & just confuses the hell out of me.

That's not real hard to do though Cliff... .................wait..............what were we talking about?

Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

My wife does that to me all the time, changes the subject mid conversation, starts talking about something completely different & just confuses the hell out of me.

mine does it to...they must have had the same teacher

Originally Posted by shedhappens

Dean, I agree with your methods using the three jaw chuck, I have done the same for a long time, I have an old flat belt roughing lathe tucked away in my brother in laws shed, these lathes were used on all sorts of horrible stuff and I dont think the chucks wore unduly worn out from out of round stock.

Maybe it is because these lathes were used in the old days and that started the "old wives tale" about not putting out of round stock in a three jaw chuck, in a production setting using four jaw chucks can slow production rate markedly.

I also would like to mention that my father ran a factory that specialized in making hydraulic motors and pumps and they fitted these to everything from merry go rounds to rock crushers, ski lifts, fishing boat winches and the list goes on and on.

My brother, who did his fitting and turning apprenticeship with my father, afterwards for a number of years was a leading hand and he ran the tool room and the press shop for a large manufacturing company.

Now what I am leading into here is that both of them had the same problem, it was very hard to employ good qualified machinist's. They both said the same thing, at the interview stage they thought they would be employing a good machinist, but they often found that not only were they not versatile but also some of these experts were not even good at what they specialized in, and in many cases they got much better quality of work from a process worker that they would find had a bit of ability and they would teach to do the job.

So what it can come down to is that if someone has the desire and a bit of ability they often can produce better results than a qualified person, including even if they only read it in book's.

Keep up the good work everybody

In a previous post I mentioned my experience in machining. The reason I was running the centreless grinding section at this site on 2 seperate occasions for a long period each was that the company could not find a suitable trades person to do the job and stay there for any length of time.

When I started an old, close to retirement person of English extraction who could not see eye to eye with the factory manager, who was a F & T and the boss's son. He also stuffed up a lot of stuff. He was very stubborn. He was shifted out and I took over. I was a total newby.

Counting in my head, 2 no hopers (got nowhere matey, got nowhere LOL) both got the flick. 1 West Indian who was very good, and had worked at the Cincinnati plant in Ohio. He left of his own accord. Another Pom who was also very good. He moved to Oz day 1, bought a house day 2, bought furniture day 3 and got the job day 4. He had a partnership with his brither in law in an engineering shop in England which he sold to his BIL to come to oz. He was not happy with working for someone else. Moved to another job then went back home (so I heard).

I took over again. At the time this was happening they bought a new bigger grinder which was eventually run by another F & T who I was good friends with, while I ran the other 4 grinders. When work dried up due to the removal of import tarrifs I started to operate the 2 induction hardeners.

Most of my knowledge in the case of centreless grinders was obtained by reading the repair and operating manual for the cincinnati grinders which happened to be laying around at the time. One of our grinders was built by Hartex (Volkswagon I believe) in Germany in 1936.

Dean

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