Thread: Not exactly a Big Item,- But a Big Headache !!

Originally Posted by BobL

I'm still wondering why the WWF turning fraternity has remained as calm as it has.

Maybe that is because we can see the world in a different way as we can see in the round rather then in little squares that all the flat wood workers do.


Peter.

Firstly it's NOT what I think of the price,- It's WHAT the Calisthenics Club is prepared to pay, and being the typical Education system, ( whether Public, or Private ),- they all, " Cry Poverty," as I have personally discovered from my own experience, after tangling with a local Private Church School which is part of the world's weathiest Church.
Also I pay TOP Dollar for quality skilled workmanship, - up to about $9. each for specially designed & treaded 90 x 35mm. Wooden Wheels,- yet other Woodworkers who want to buy these same wooden wheels,- literally, " Freak-out," at the price !!

The Calisthenics Club is ONLY prepared to pay about a lousy $5. per completed, and nicely painted Brooch, including Freight. ( AND I don't get anything out of that either,- simply helping them out. )

** Meantime I have Scored a Pensioner who is looking for a bit of Pocket-money,- long-time Wood turner, and Wood Machinist, and says he's got a fair idea as to how these little," critters," are made as has done similar small miniatures over the years. Know the guy quite well. Never even thought to ask him If there are optional ways to make these brooches. I do know he's got some real expensive machinery, and does beautiful work too,- some very small and delicate, other items large and simple, but still beautiful to view, as he has an eye for grain & texture . He says he's not out to make a profit, otherwise the, " powers-that-be, " will dock his pension, ( fair enough ?? )
YES,- he's already given me a rough quote too, took one look at the picture and the tec-drawing, - Replied, ( I very nearly fell over with shock !! ),- " Yep,- simple enough,- Dollar-Fifty each, or thereabouts,- Do you want me to attach the safety pins too, and get the missus to paint 'em,- she's an artist you know ? Add that on,- 'bout Dollar- eighty, or ninety each. That's in good Aussie timber too. " Might even get the price below the Dollar for you,- see how I go. "
ME;- " I'm still reelin' from shock !! '
Maybe I SHOULD have asked this guy first instead of seeking HELP on this forum,- then I wouldn't have upset anyone.

**** YES,- I DO APOLOGIZE to all & sundry who were insulted by my comments as per pricing,- Happy now??

Roger

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

Firstly it's NOT what I think of the price,- It's WHAT the Calisthenics Club is prepared to pay,

The Calisthenics Club is ONLY prepared to pay about a lousy $5. per completed, and nicely painted Brooch, including Freight. ( AND I don't get anything out of that either,- simply helping them out. )

** Meantime I have Scored a Pensioner who is looking for a bit of Pocket-money,- long-time Wood turner, and Wood Machinist, and says he's got a fair idea as to how these little," critters," are made as has done similar small miniatures over the years. Know the guy quite well. Never even thought to ask him If there are optional ways to make these brooches. I do know he's got some real expensive machinery, and does beautiful work too,- some very small and delicate, other items large and simple, but still beautiful to view, as he has an eye for grain & texture . He says he's not out to make a profit, otherwise the, " powers-that-be, " will dock his pension, ( fair enough ?? )
YES,- he's already given me a rough quote too, took one look at the picture and the tec-drawing, - Replied, ( I very nearly fell over with shock !! ),- " Yep,- simple enough,- Dollar-Fifty each, or thereabouts,- Do you want me to attach the safety pins too, and get the missus to paint 'em,- she's an artist you know ? Add that on,- 'bout Dollar- eighty, or ninety each. That's in good Aussie timber too. " Might even get the price below the Dollar for you,- see how I go. "
ME;- " I'm still reelin' from shock !! '
Maybe I SHOULD have asked this guy first instead of seeking HELP on this forum,- then I wouldn't have upset anyone.

**** YES,- I DO APOLOGIZE to all & sundry who were insulted by my comments as per pricing,- Happy now??

Roger

Good on him if he can do it for that p[rice. Hope the caslistenics people appreciate his slaving away so they can fly about the world going to comps. .

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

** Meantime I have Scored a Pensioner who is looking for a bit of Pocket-money,-................................................ . He says he's not out to make a profit, otherwise the, " powers-that-be, " will dock his pension, ( fair enough ?? )

Roger

So you're happy with assisting the pensioner in ripping of the taxpayers, and undercutting tradesmen trying to earn a living, by working for peanuts rather then charging a proper price, declaring his income and save the taxpayers.

You may be happy but I'm not.


Peter.

And the calisthenics people still think that sort of thing is worth that much money. :S

A few weeks ago Roger asked a question in the toy making forum and then turned quite nasty when the aswers he got were not to his liking which resulted in Yonnee closing the thread. He must have decided that it is now the woodturners turn to cop his insults.
Elderly.

Seems I cannot even ask a sensible question, or supply a decent reply without getting someone upset somewhere,- Why ??

Firstly I am sorry I ever put the thread on this site seeking advice,-
I am NOT out to intensionally upset anyone., whether they are professionals in their trade, or amateurs starting out .

As for the old guy ripping off the system,- He is NOT out to make a profit,- just looking for something useful to do while pottering away in his workshop,- What's wrong with that? Is there a new law somewhere that says one cannot potter away in their workshop, and do jobs for people at cost, or below cost ? If there is, then all the Mensheds groups / Wood groups/ clubs around the country are taking away jobs from the Professional Woodworkers, & Tradespeople.

If you think I encourage people to rip-off the system, during recent times I have reported to Centrelink various labourers, & others who openly admit they are collecting BOTH the Dole, and receiving Cash Money of round $40. - $50 hr , also have heard of people who work at the big mine sites earing $90. - $100 hr,- AND recieving a Centrelink payment as well. YES, I have reported them time, and time again,- even one guy on a Disability pension, who was also openly ripping-off the system,- but nothing ever happens to them, yet myself,- I have been abused, had my home broken into, stuff wrecked, solely because I TRY to do the right thing. Here I am well-known to our local police for ALL the RIGHT reasons, and am classed as a responsible citizen whom is trustworthy, and can be trusted.

The item I asked about on the Toy-makers forum,- ALL I sought was information asking IF anyone knew of Suitable Stickers, or Transfers from an Australian source that can be LEGALLY used on Toy Garages, other than importing them from Hobbies Ltd in England. Being a Toy-designer, and having my own range of Toy plans, I was simply interested in adding suitable Stickers, or Transfers to my two toy Service Station plans, and including them with the purchase price, not as an extra optional addition,- and some got very upset for some reason,- seemed to think I should give away free plans, - one person from this Woodwork forum even tracked me down, by telephone, and verbally abused the hell out of me because he wanted FREE toy plans. Can't remember the name he gave me, but do recall he said he is a member of the Woodwork forum.
I expect someone somewhere will take offence again, and as for my Toy plans,& wood craft designs, they are going off-shore to another country where people will gladly pay me for them.
Roger

You sound like a lovely person. I don't think I would like to work with you anyway.

He sounds like a nice person..

Originally Posted by Pagie

He sounds like a nice person..

Sarcasm doesn't come across very well written down does it.

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

Got a Big problem,- how to successfully make a SMALL Fiddly item without breakage !!

** Apparently the Calisthenics Club originally bought them from some old guy somewhere, but he's not around no more,- and took his production secret with him,-
just to be difficult !!! ( or should I say, " inconsiderate !! " )
Over to the Brains Department.
Roger

with a short arm jab

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

Seems I cannot even ask a sensible question, or supply a decent reply without getting someone upset somewhere,- Why ??

Your reaction to people's responses comes across as conceited and contemptuous.

Firstly I am sorry I ever put the thread on this site seeking advice,-

You are not alone there my friend... and yet, you still do.

Here I am well-known to our local police for ALL the RIGHT reasons, and am classed as a responsible citizen whom is trustworthy, and can be trusted.

I'd like to think most of us go through life without being well known to our local police... but maybe that's just me.

The item I asked about on the Toy-makers forum,- ALL I sought was information asking IF anyone knew of Suitable Stickers, or Transfers from an Australian source that can be LEGALLY used on Toy Garages,Roger

Toy Garage Stickers This is the link, for anyone who'd like to read how Roger chastised those who gave suggestions.



One last observation. Roger is complaining about some of the prices quoted for these items...

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

...which says heaps about some people who use this forum, as I have noticed they like as much as practical for nothing.

So the club is willing to pay $ 5.00 per item and you are getting them made for less then $ 2.00, so who gets the $ 3.00 per item.

Is that your commission or do you reduce the cost to the club to your costs and assist them in their fundraising endeavour?


Peter.

Originally Posted by rogerjenkins

then all the Mensheds groups / Wood groups/ clubs around the country are taking away jobs from the Professional Woodworkers, & Tradespeople.


Roger

Like many others in the community you have no idea about Men sheds if you think we do jobs in the community without charging an adequate and appropriate fee.

Our men shed is not there to do low paying jobs for the community, we do jobs for ourself or families of the men shed members or recognised charities like Doncare (our neighbour) without costs but for others we charge full fees as it's our way of raising funds.


Peter.