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23rd February 2009, 09:39 PM #1
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Tailstock Quill
Hi all,
Here is a tricky one... I am presently looking at an old Dabar lathe that is a knock-off of the old Woodfasts.
It looks like quite a nice lathe barring two things:
1. The belt change seems to be a pain.
2. (MORE importantly) The tailstock quill does not have a Morse #2 taper. I am not sure what it is, but it is bigger than #2.
Thus I would want to replace the quill, has anyone ever done that before? Do you have an estimate of price?
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23rd February 2009, 10:45 PM #2
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It should not be necessary to replace the entire quill. Adapters are available, generally in single steps from larger (tailstock) to smaller (live/dead centre or Jacobs chuck), e.g. MT2 to MT1, and MT3 to MT2. US prices are about US$10, as of 2008. Google [morse taper dimensions] to identify the ones of interest, and/or contact machinery suppliers such as Carba-Tec or Jim Carroll. The usable bed length will be reduced slightly, and there may be a slight increase in offset misalignment.
Belt change:
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24th February 2009, 12:18 PM #3
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Thanks Joe.
By belt change I meant speed change with belts. The belts are kind of awkwardly almost hidden away.
As for the taper adapter - hmmm - that is an interesting proposition. Of course, I don't know what the existing taper is, but I am guessing that it is a Morse 3.
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24th February 2009, 12:57 PM #4
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If it is indeed a MT3, and if it is bigger than MT2 that is the likely candidate, then you have the option of a sleeve adapter (as Joe has said) if you already have MT2 accessories. If however you don't already own a live centre, drill chuck arbor etc in MT2, they are all available in MT3 and this would be a better option.
Originally Posted by CameronPotter
Sometimes these come with the lathe as well, particularly a secondhand one.
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24th February 2009, 01:01 PM #5
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It comes with a live centre, but I have a number of centres myself - including a jacobs chuck - that are all Morse #2.
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24th February 2009, 03:30 PM #6
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taper chart
http://www.laymar-crafts.co.uk/info5.htm
I hope this helps .
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Hi. Try here.
http://www.mcjing.com.au/engineering/toolframe.htm
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24th February 2009, 04:06 PM #8
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Thanks guys.
It will be good to see exactly what it is, then I can decide if it is easy enough to get a collet for it. I found one at Timbecon as well.
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24th February 2009, 05:18 PM #9
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Hi Cam,
You may not have reasonable access to ENCO, but this will give you an idea of what is out there, and the cost in USD.
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?P...MITEM=214-8623
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Morse Taper sizes
Different Morse tapers have easily distinguished sizes.Measure at the big end (ie, the open hole), in inches:
- #0 is 0.356
- #1 is 0.475
- #2 is 0.700
- #3 is 0.938
- #4 is 1.231,
- #5 is 1.748
- #6 is 2.494
- #7 is 3.270
or try this:
<table background="/Axiom43/019.jpg" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="600"><tbody><tr><td colspan="9" align="center"> MORSE TAPER DIMENSIONS
</td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 2 Column 1 --> <td colspan="9"> Here is a table with details of dimensions for all parts of both male and female Morse Tapers, sizes 0 to 7 inclusive. All dimensions are in Inches.
(b) = Both : (F) = Female : (M) = Male
</td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 3 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Drift/Key/Taper number (B) </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 2 --> <td align="center" width="9%"> 0 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 3 --> <td align="center" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 4 --> <td align="center" width="9%"> 2 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 5 --> <td align="center" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 6 --> <td align="center" width="9%"> 4 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 7 --> <td align="center" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 5 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 8 --> <td align="center" width="9%"> 6 </td> <!-- Row 3 Column 9 --> <td align="center" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 7 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 4 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Plug at Small End (M) </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·252 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·369 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·572 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·778 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·020 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·475 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·116 </td> <!-- Row 4 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·750 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 5 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Diameter at Socket End (F) </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·356 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·475 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·700 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·938 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·231 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·748 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·494 </td> <!-- Row 5 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·270 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 6 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Standard Plug Length (M) </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·000 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·125 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·563 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·187 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 4·062 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 5·187 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 7·250 </td> <!-- Row 6 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 10·000 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 7 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Whole Shank Length (M) </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·344 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·563 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 3·125 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·875 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 4·875 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 6·125 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 8·563 </td> <!-- Row 7 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 11·625 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 8 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Depth of Hole (F) </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·031 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·187 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·6250 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·250 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 4·125 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 7·25 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 7·375 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 10·125 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 8 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Socket End to Keyway (F) </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·938 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·062 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·500 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·062 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 3·875 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 4·938 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 7·000 </td> <!-- Row 8 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 9·500 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 9 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Length of Keyway (F) </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·563 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·750 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·875 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·187 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·250 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·500 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·750 </td> <!-- Row 9 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·625 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 10 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Width of Keyway (F) </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·160 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·213 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·260 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·322 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·478 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·635 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·760 </td> <!-- Row 10 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·135 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 11 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Length of Tongue (M) </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·250 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·375 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·437 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·563 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·625 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·750 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 1·125 </td> <!-- Row 11 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·750 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 12 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Diameter of Tongue (M) </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·235 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·343 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·531 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·719 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·968 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·406 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·000 </td> <!-- Row 12 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·625 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 13 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Thickness of Tongue (M) </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·157 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·187 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·250 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·313 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·469 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·625 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·750 </td> <!-- Row 13 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 1·125 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 14 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Mill radius for tongue (M) </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·156 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·187 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·250 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·281 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·313 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·375 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·500 </td> <!-- Row 14 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·750 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 15 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Radius of Tongue (M) </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·040 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·050 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·060 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·080 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·100 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·120 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·150 </td> <!-- Row 15 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·180 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 16 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Shank Depth (F) </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·219 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 2·438 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 2·937 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 3·687 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 4·625 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 5·875 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 8·250 </td> <!-- Row 16 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 11·250 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 17 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Taper per Foot (B) </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·6216 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·5986 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·5994 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·6024 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·6233 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·6315 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·6257 </td> <!-- Row 17 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·6240 </td> </tr> <tr> <!-- Row 18 Column 1 --> <td background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="28%"> Taper per Inch (B) </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 2 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·0521 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 3 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·0499 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 4 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·0500 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 5 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·0502 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 6 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·0519 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 7 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·0526 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 8 --> <td align="right" width="9%"> 0·0521 </td> <!-- Row 18 Column 9 --> <td align="right" background="/Axiom43/bg14-1a.jpg" width="9%"> 0·0520</td></tr></tbody></table>Last edited by Gil Jones; 24th February 2009 at 05:34 PM. 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Thanks Gil,
That is great info.
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Cam, Originally Posted by CameronPotter
if its a knock off, why don't you try the original.
Just a thought
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I am looking secondhand - thus you can only get what is available...
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