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7th March 2016, 08:49 PM #1
Help me identify a H&F lathe: a wl-12?
A friend has lent me his old 1995 Hare & Forbes lathe. Unfortunately he has lost the centres and any chucks he might have had. I'm keen for some info on the machine before I purchase these things...
Unfortunately I can't identify the model number. I think it says WL-12 but it's hard to tell. Did H&F sell anything with a model like that back in the 90's? It has a 12" swing and is 37" centre to centre.
Any assistance would be appreciated, especially if someone has seen a manual!
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8th March 2016, 08:35 AM #2
Here are some pics to assist with the model identification...
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Another question: are there standard sizes for the screw that chucks attach to? Because I have just been considering centres, I measured the inside of the screw ends to be approx 1/2". What would be the correct sizes chucks to look at for such a screw?
Being new to turning, I'm extremely keen to get this lathe mounted on a stand and working!
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8th March 2016, 12:17 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Theodor,
According to the chart in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_taper
If the holes in the spindle and tail stock taper and are smooth, they would be Morse Taper 1.
A chuck or face plate would ordinarily screw on to the male thread of the headstock spindle. A very few have only a shaft sticking out and the chuck adapter is slid on and held with a set screw. Not a good system, it is not strong and the screw can come loose and the chuck and timber can come off and hit you.
I would not buy a chuck immediately. Wait until you have turned for a while. You will then know you need a real lathe, or decide you do not want to pursue turning, and can buy a chuck big enough for the real lathe with an adapter that will mount the chuck on this one.
It would be good to get some time on a good lathe so that your borrowed one does not discourage you.
The lathe is lightly built but would do for small spindles.So much timber, so little time.
Paul
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8th March 2016, 02:18 PM #4Deceased
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I have one like that except it's blue, different motor, and was labelled as a Record lathe and sold by WMS in Melbourne.
The lathe has a MT 1 in the head stock and has the standard Record lathe thread. From memory it has a fixed tail stock revolving centre. It came with a face plate which I passed on to Fly who has a record lathe as I converted this one as a dedicated buffing/polishing lathe.
Can't help you with a manual as I got mine for nothing from a forum member.
Peter.
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8th March 2016, 05:11 PM #5
Well I'm glad I asked. I had no idea about the centres being tapered. I'll check that tonight. I'm pretty certain they're smooth inside. There is a thread on the spindle for a chuck.
Now I've got more questions. They can wait till I get home.
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9th March 2016, 03:39 PM #6
If your friend lent you this lathe to play with what is he still using? You might be able to visit him to get some experience on the turning tools.
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9th March 2016, 09:12 PM #7Senior Member
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Theodor, PM me with your email address and I'll send you a Manual for similar lathe. Sears Craftmaster 113.2800. All much the same. They have a 3/4 inch 16tpi Spindle Thread - same as Record lathes.
Cheers
Mick Cmañana
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9th March 2016, 10:24 PM #8
Thanks for the offer Mick but I'm all good. Late last night I thought I'd do an image search rather than just the text thing. I found the lathe looks exactly like a Duracraft Wal 1236 or the Sears Craftmaster. I found a manual online already thanks.
I'm now trying to organise centres which will fit the spindle. I've taken a bolt off the spindle to confirm its size before I invest in a chuck. And yes, I believe it's 3/4-16tpi which I have never heard of before being a metric kid through and through.
Christos: my mate has a newer lathe he uses. I've had a little turning experience. I was learning the basics of turning over Christmas on my father-in-law's old Record. The unfinished rolling pin is still sitting in his lathe.
Here's a question: when you buy a chuck, do manufacturers have collects/connectors available for such sizes?
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10th March 2016, 10:23 AM #9Senior Member
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Theodor, there are numerous accessories available for 3/4 inch 16 tpi Spindle size. As I said, this is the size of the Record/Coronet lathes. As well as most of the el cheapo Chinese lathes - the ones with the really light-weight RHS beds (GMC etc). The lathe has a No. 1 morse taper on the headstock, so there are spur drives available. When you buy a chuck you specify what your spindle size is and there will be a suitable adaptor to fit your lathe.
Cheers
Mick Cmañana