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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin62 View Post
    But 3dB more is double the sound.
    I have recently been taking some dB readings at my local Men's Shed in preparation for adding some additional DE capacity.

    Concern has been expressed by some members about the location and additional noise that another DE would add to the shed. Comments like... "will it be louder or quieter than x machine?" indicate that the noise level will be a factor in the decision making.

    I've been doing some reading to try to understand what the comfort and hearing risk might be for members. One thing that has become clear to me is that the 'perception' of loudness varies between people for any particular dB reading and frequency profile. The SPL dB reading may indicate a doubling of sound power/pressure, but how old ears with varying degrees of industrial deafness detect loudness and how their brains perceive it is another thing.

    Furthermore, that increases of 3dB, 6dB and 10dB double the sound level are all correct, in their own way.

    Here is a nice simple summary of the difference between what the meter is reading and what the human hears...

    https://conradaskland.com/blog/decib...volume-change/

    ...and here is academic support for how the frequency component changes the 'perception' of loudness. In my household I hear the low rumble of a visiting car arriving, which my wife never hears, but she hears the beep on timers that I often miss. This difference in hearing range and perception is relevant to both the low rumble of a DE impeller unit and also the corresponding higher pitched hiss of air at intakes.

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    For practical purposes I'm saying to the chaps at the Shed that... each increase/decrease of between 6dB & 10dB doubles or halves noise level to the human ear... which is near enough for their purposes.

    The truth of the matter is that some of the equipment at the shed will be much louder than the DE, about which I can do little other than make them aware of the recommended exposure levels and encourage the use of ear protection. But will try to do as much as I can about the DE installation to minimise its contribution to the overall noise levels in the shed.
    Stay sharp and stay safe!

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    Quick 40 sec grab of the fan hooked up to make sure they work, you actually get 2 of the fans for $345
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    For max efficiency make sure the cages spin the right way

    Due to the way squirrel cage fans work they will still work with positive flow when running backwards albeit with only about 20% efficiency. We had some installed by the uni sparky as fume hood extractor fans at work and were wondering why fumes were getting i to the lab. At the time I wore a silver chain around my neck and it turned green! and SWMBO reckon she could smell chemicals in my hair. After a few weeks we got teh sparky back and he sheepishly agreed in was running backwards. No probs when finally they were running teh right way.

    The other thing is, the rattle and hum they make can transfer itself to any structure they are mounted on like walls.
    Using a thick foam gasket can help reduce this but the best way we found at work was to use rubber isolation mounts like this.
    They are available on ebay.
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    These MOUNTS are meant to be used vertically and will not last long if used horizontal as the rubber tend to shear/split under the weight of these fans.
    This means using a 90º bend or deflector to get then through a wall.

    Like this,
    "B" will need a custom made elbow, these are not hard to make from some MDF and Sheet metal
    or
    "C" can also be made up from MDF or sheet metal
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    How is the noise level in person? So hard to tell what’s normal over video when you can adjust volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toomnus View Post
    How is the noise level in person? So hard to tell what’s normal over video when you can adjust volume.
    It seemed fine, I've never used these sort of fans before so not sure what is quiet and what is not, and that was outside, so I think will be magnified once inside the shed, I'll have earmuffs/headphones on when machines are running anyway, but definately be managable I feel. My 'day job' is working at an airline, quieter than a jet engine/aircraft noise, and the noise I'm usually dealing with, so thats a win! Will do a dB reading with my phone in the shed once I get them wired up with a plug

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